Re: [GNC-dev] gnucash-devel Digest, Vol 190, Issue 31

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Re: [GNC-dev] gnucash-devel Digest, Vol 190, Issue 31

Alex Aycinena-2
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> From: Wm <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc:
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> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 17:37:30 +0000
> Subject: Re: [GNC-dev] Alphavantage strategies
> On 22/01/2019 15:16, John Ralls wrote:
>
> > Wm,
> >
> > F::Q has had a commit to add 6 seconds between requests in its git repo
> for almost a year, but the maintainer hasn’t been able to make time to do a
> new release. This has been discussed several times on the user list.
>
> Naughty F::Q ... don't be silly, the notion exists, it got used but not
> implemented.  I don't think we (gnc and other people that use F::Q)
> should presume they should protect us from being bad citizens.
>
> And something else, the 6 seconds is growing, 16 seconds, maybe 61
> seconds soon, I don't know what the back off should be but I know for
> sure gnc is not suitable for trading (by that I mean prices within a day
> or maybe within a few days).
>
> > There’s also already a price-priority built into GnuCash.
>
>  > >There are several levels, but the significant ones are
> > transaction-creation,
>
> I certainly know about that one and expect most people experience it
> ordinarily in buying food, etc
>
> > finance-quote,
>
> I think you have the order wrong
>
> > price-editor.
>
> I think an actual price overrides.
>
> >Sources to the right can replace sources to their left
>
> my reading of what you are saying is that the price-editor should
> override the actual, but I'm not convinced that is really what you mean.
>
> >and themselves but not sources to the right, so e.g. once  you’ve created
> a price in the price editor >that’s the one for the day.
>
> Hmmmn, I'm going to pause and think about that.
>
> I think that is a wrong-thing: I think the actual human level price is
> the price for the day for a person or small or modest sized organisation
> rather than the price editor price, if you toss in the ordinary stuff
> like some people and organisations can't get prices at the moment, what
> do you think is the right price for the day?
>
> Is it the market price (big wide world) or the price they could achieve
> at the time on the day they attempted to get a price?
>
> I am genuinely unsure about this, JohnR [99] , I think the price I have
> for something must be the price for the day *because* the gnc model of
> last price falls apart if it is supplanted.
>
> [99] and other sensible commentators, remote as they may be
> ===
>
> I live in London, I don't vote for Trump, if it matters I think Brexit
> is dumb, I have access to market prices.
>
> I'm generally ok with a price a person creates being prime (if I buy an
> option on DogFood and Wall at USD200 per kg of federal_employee that is
> my price for supporting Trump, right?) [1]
>
> > I don’t want GnuCash to make assumptions about what F::Q does
> internally,
>
> My break: I agree
>
> I also think it will be very expensive for gnc and similar applications
> that utilize F::Q to start from scratch.
>
> > so I think the algorithm you’re proposing would look like:
> >
> > 1 Make list of commodities to retrieve from Alphavantage
>
> doesn't gnc do that anyway? if that wasn't true we wouldn't be fucking
> about choosing which source we wanted a quote from, FFS
>
> > 2 Check for prices for today, splitting the above list into have-price
> and don’t-have-price
>
> I think this is a good approach but it breaks if many people ask the
> same question at or about the same time or repeatedly.
>
> I don't know the answer to gnc and F::Q *not* being asked
> ===
> alphabet share price
> ===
> I don't use gnc or F::Q for that but I expect many people do.
>
> > 3 Request the don’t-have-price list. If it partly fails, wait 60 seconds
> and return to 2.
>
> Almost, I think the person should get a list, similar to the one
> presented at presented that says,
> "we couldn't get the price for
> FuckwitAndCompany
> MayAndIdiots
> CorbynAndWeird"
>
> but instead of asking the dumb question about storing the prices it may
> have obtained
>
> think about this
>
> at the moment the gnc model gets good prices and throws them away!
>
> How fucking idiotic and Trump like is that?
>
> You have information?
>
> What is the best thing to do?
>
> I know!  Discard it!
>
> Duh
>
> Sensible people store information, prices, etc  why is gnc *discarding*
> what it does get?  I simply don't understand this.  Maybe someone else
> is whacking F::Q for a perfect complete set of all their data and
> someone else is just trying to work out if their small business is
> likely to get fucked by Brexit.
>
> Why does gnc not store the prices it did get and then ask "do you want
> me to try again, the sources may be fucked, I may not be able to get a
> price again for a day or so because the fuckwit Trump is holding things
> up" or whatever excuse you have but here is the question
>
> WHY IS GNC *NOT* STORING PRICES IT DOES GET?
> WHY IS GNC *DISCARDING* PRICES WHEN WE KNOW THEY ARE BECOMING MORE
> EXPENSIVE?
>
> > 4 Wait 60 seconds and request the have-price list.
>
> if someone needs minute by minute prices I think they should pay for
> that,  I'm ok with once a day at best.
>
> > The code would go into libgnucash/scm/price-quotes.scm.
>
> at which point it would be obscure to me.  I'd know if it worked or not
> afterwards so who are you trying to impress?
>
> ===
>
> [1] Trump has moved beyond stupid to plain funny, OK? [2]
> [2] This is nothing to do with Rep or Dem any more, this is supporting
> the incompetent because you're a cheap white that never had anyone to
> vote for before, yay for you [3]
> [3] I'm cheap white too, in case it matters [4]
> [4] I'm also from africa, as in born their and tired of other whites and
> their rights.
>
> --
> Wm
> I am very frustrated at not being able to help the project more
>
>
>

Are you off your meds again?

I suggest anyone responding to his emails, including myself, is off his
meds as well.
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Re: [GNC-dev] gnucash-devel Digest, Vol 190, Issue 31

John Ralls-2


> On Jan 24, 2019, at 8:02 PM, Alex Aycinena <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Are you off your meds again?
>
> I suggest anyone responding to his emails, including myself, is off his
> meds as well.

Or on the self-prescribed sort.

Regards,
John Ralls


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