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Henry Bremridge
I am entering my transactions from MS Money into Gnucash (2.01 release
14585 under Debian Etch) and am having two problems. Can anyone help or
point me in the right direction

-   Problem 1. In entering a buy or a sell transaction. I open the stock
    account and enter the buy or sell. In checking with the related bank
    account occasionally the entry will occur but no figures are carried
    across

    This seems to fix itself when I close all windows and "Check and Repair"

-   Problem 2. When I enter a sale of a share then I get the capital gain
    (or loss) appearing in a new account called Orphaned Gains - Realised
    Gain / Loss

    What I do not understand is that the sell account is totally balanced,
    before this orphan account appears.

    This seems to be the same issue as raised on 23 Jun 06 but I could not
    see how that issue finished

   
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Thu Sep 21 13:53:32 BST 2006

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Re: Orphaned Gains Account

Derek Atkins
Henry Bremridge <[hidden email]> writes:

> I am entering my transactions from MS Money into Gnucash (2.01 release
> 14585 under Debian Etch) and am having two problems. Can anyone help or
> point me in the right direction
>
> -   Problem 1. In entering a buy or a sell transaction. I open the stock
>     account and enter the buy or sell. In checking with the related bank
>     account occasionally the entry will occur but no figures are carried
>     across

This is probably http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116353

>     This seems to fix itself when I close all windows and "Check and Repair"

yep.  Except.....

> -   Problem 2. When I enter a sale of a share then I get the capital gain
>     (or loss) appearing in a new account called Orphaned Gains - Realised
>     Gain / Loss

... the C&R does this.

>     What I do not understand is that the sell account is totally balanced,
>     before this orphan account appears.

The problem is that the C&R process still has the "broken" LOT
support turned on.  Are you adding the capital gains/losses as
splits by hand?  If not, then no, the account ISN'T balanced.
You've balanced the transaction, but you've not balanced the
gain/loss between the purchase and sale.

The C&R code does (granted erroneously).

>     This seems to be the same issue as raised on 23 Jun 06 but I could not
>     see how that issue finished

Yeah..  C&R is, umm...  not QUITE doing what we want here.
I'll see if I can fix it before 2.0.2.

-derek

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Re: Orphaned Gains Account

Henry Bremridge
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 08:37:15AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:

> Henry Bremridge <[hidden email]> writes:
>
> > I am entering my transactions from MS Money into Gnucash (2.01 release
> > 14585 under Debian Etch) and am having two problems. Can anyone help or
> > point me in the right direction
> >
> > -   Problem 1. In entering a buy or a sell transaction. I open the
> > stock account and enter the buy or sell. In checking with the related
> > bank account occasionally the entry will occur but no figures are
> > carried across
>
> This is probably http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116353
>
Could be, will check again this evening but the account file should be just
one currency: USD (as opposed to locale of GBP). In some of the reports GBP
is appearing, not sure why..

> >     This seems to fix itself when I close all windows and "Check and
> >     Repair"
>
> yep.  Except.....
>
C+R does fix it but sometimes it helps if I delete the transaction, C+R and
then re-enter.

> > -   Problem 2. When I enter a sale of a share then I get the capital
> > gain (or loss) appearing in a new account called Orphaned Gains -
> > Realised Gain / Loss
>
> ... the C&R does this.
>
> >     What I do not understand is that the sell account is totally
> >     balanced, before this orphan account appears.
>
> The problem is that the C&R process still has the "broken" LOT support
> turned on.  Are you adding the capital gains/losses as splits by hand?
> If not, then no, the account ISN'T balanced.  You've balanced the
> transaction, but you've not balanced the gain/loss between the purchase
> and sale.
>
Yes, capital gains / losses were entered by hand. I have not used the LOT
support at all (not sure how it worked). (In passing I initially HATED the
manual calculation of capital gain but now I love the idea of actually
seeing the underlying figures)

> The C&R code does (granted erroneously).
>
> >     This seems to be the same issue as raised on 23 Jun 06 but I could
> >     not see how that issue finished
>
> Yeah..  C&R is, umm...  not QUITE doing what we want here.  I'll see if I
> can fix it before 2.0.2.
>
Thanks!

Just out of interest, can anyone point me to where I can read on the
following topics as they apply to Gnucash
-   Lots (and the commands scrub and scrub all)
-   Check and Repair
(I could not find either on the gnucash website)

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Fri Sep 22 15:16:30 BST 2006


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Re: Orphaned Gains Account

Derek Atkins
Henry Bremridge <[hidden email]> writes:

> On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 08:37:15AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
>> Henry Bremridge <[hidden email]> writes:
>>
>> > I am entering my transactions from MS Money into Gnucash (2.01 release
>> > 14585 under Debian Etch) and am having two problems. Can anyone help or
>> > point me in the right direction
>> >
>> > -   Problem 1. In entering a buy or a sell transaction. I open the
>> > stock account and enter the buy or sell. In checking with the related
>> > bank account occasionally the entry will occur but no figures are
>> > carried across
>>
>> This is probably http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116353
>>
> Could be, will check again this evening but the account file should be just
> one currency: USD (as opposed to locale of GBP). In some of the reports GBP
> is appearing, not sure why..

Accounts in one currency and locale in a different currency is EXACTLY
the problem behind #116353.   So if your accounts are all USD but your
locale is GBP, then yes indeed you're hitting this bug.

>> The problem is that the C&R process still has the "broken" LOT support
>> turned on.  Are you adding the capital gains/losses as splits by hand?
>> If not, then no, the account ISN'T balanced.  You've balanced the
>> transaction, but you've not balanced the gain/loss between the purchase
>> and sale.
>>
> Yes, capital gains / losses were entered by hand. I have not used the LOT
> support at all (not sure how it worked). (In passing I initially HATED the
> manual calculation of capital gain but now I love the idea of actually
> seeing the underlying figures)

Right.  The cap-gains code as-written doesn't understand the manual
method.

> Just out of interest, can anyone point me to where I can read on the
> following topics as they apply to Gnucash
> -   Lots (and the commands scrub and scrub all)

As a developer or as a user?  Lots were supposed to be almost
completely disabled for users..

> -   Check and Repair
> (I could not find either on the gnucash website)

C&R should be in the Tutorial or Help guides...

> Henry
> Fri Sep 22 15:16:30 BST 2006

-derek

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Derek Atkins
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Henry Bremridge <[hidden email]> writes:

> I have not been able to find anything about "Lots" or "C+R" in the tutorial
> or help guides. I suspect I could be looking in the wrong places but I have
> tried to google under "gnucash lots" but frankly get nowhere fast.

As I said, "lots" shouldn't have been in there, and indeed this
"bug" has been fixed for 2.0.2 so C&R wont create lots anymore.
As for docs on the Check & Repair...  It's actually not a hugely
used feature so it wouldn't surprise me if there isn't much
documentation about it.

> I cannot develop, I could help writing documentation (or even replying on
> this list) once I knew more about the program. At the moment I know far too
> little.

Help with the docs would be greatly appreciated.

> But thanks for the help, I will probably keep my old investment files
> around and wait for the next version, and then try and upload them. I have
> to get rid of my old computer pretty soon as someone else needs it

Okay.

> Thanks
>
> NB I have not copied this to the list

I noticed.  You should have.

-derek
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