[GNC-dev] Yahoo blocking GnuCash Email

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[GNC-dev] Yahoo blocking GnuCash Email

Derek Atkins-3
Hi,

Starting around September 10, Yahoo appears to have started blocking
SMTP (email) originating at code.gnucash.org.  This means that yahoo
users have been prevented from receiving any mail (including list mail
and bug mail), and worse, they've been blocked from sending mail *to*
the list as well (due to sender-verify blocking them because yahoo is
blocking us).

Unfortunately, this appears to be a "due to user complaints" blockage,
and Yahoo is pretty tight-lipped about why it actually is blocking.
This could be due to people flagging gnucash email as spam (which might
include the monthly password reminders), or it could be as stupid as
people receiving the email but never reading it.  But like I said, Yahoo
won't tell me the source of the blockage.

I am hoping this will clear up on it's own.  If not, I might need to
literally unsubscribe every yahoo user and then request each person to
re-subscribe themselves to the list (once email clears up).

I realize that no Yahoo users will actually *see* this email, but I'm
hoping they will eventually be able to google for gnucash email yahoo
problem or something like that and this email will pop up in a couple
days in the archives.  Alternately, email will clean up and the queue
will get flushed.

If anyone has other ideas, please let me know.

-derek

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Re: [GNC-dev] Yahoo blocking GnuCash Email

Adrien Monteleone-2
That’s a bummer.

It could also be users who can’t read the unsubscribe instructions or don’t follow them and then report the list as spam because they still get messages after they ‘asked us’ to unsubscribe them.

I turned off the password reminder feature long ago, as I thought it was a bad idea to send passwords via e-mail. It probably should be off by default. I don’t get such messages for any other site - ever. I don’t understand why mailman even offers it. One can always just reset their password if they forget it or don’t manage their passwords.

The only other option I can think of to get this info to them would be to parse the mailman db for the yahoo addresses and send to them personally. I would include that they should preferably re-subscribe with a different mail provider as no one knows when Yahoo will unblock the list again.

Regards,
Adrien


> On Sep 20, 2019 w38d263, at 12:37 PM, Derek Atkins <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Starting around September 10, Yahoo appears to have started blocking
> SMTP (email) originating at code.gnucash.org.  This means that yahoo
> users have been prevented from receiving any mail (including list mail
> and bug mail), and worse, they've been blocked from sending mail *to*
> the list as well (due to sender-verify blocking them because yahoo is
> blocking us).
>
> Unfortunately, this appears to be a "due to user complaints" blockage,
> and Yahoo is pretty tight-lipped about why it actually is blocking.
> This could be due to people flagging gnucash email as spam (which might
> include the monthly password reminders), or it could be as stupid as
> people receiving the email but never reading it.  But like I said, Yahoo
> won't tell me the source of the blockage.
>
> I am hoping this will clear up on it's own.  If not, I might need to
> literally unsubscribe every yahoo user and then request each person to
> re-subscribe themselves to the list (once email clears up).
>
> I realize that no Yahoo users will actually *see* this email, but I'm
> hoping they will eventually be able to google for gnucash email yahoo
> problem or something like that and this email will pop up in a couple
> days in the archives.  Alternately, email will clean up and the queue
> will get flushed.
>
> If anyone has other ideas, please let me know.
>
> -derek
>
> --
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Re: [GNC-dev] Yahoo blocking GnuCash Email

Tommy Trussell
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On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 12:38 PM Derek Atkins <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Starting around September 10, Yahoo appears to have started blocking
> SMTP (email) originating at code.gnucash.org.  This means that yahoo
> users have been prevented from receiving any mail (including list mail
> and bug mail), and worse, they've been blocked from sending mail *to*
> the list as well (due to sender-verify blocking them because yahoo is
> blocking us).
>

Does it affect other domains, too? In 2008 ATT bought Yahoo!, and for years
the Yahoo! people handled email for all the former telecom domains under
the ATT umbrella. Now (since 2017?) Verizon owns (part of) what used to be
Yahoo! but the same entity may still handle email for some of the former
domains.

https://help.returnpath.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002811867-AT-T-Bellsouth-and-SBC-overview


Here's a list of domains I found (though several may no longer be active).

@ameritech.net
@att.net
@bellsouth.net
@flash.net
@nvbell.net
@pacbell.net
@prodigy.net
@sbcglobal.net
@snet.net
@swbell.net
@wans.net
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Re: [GNC-dev] Yahoo blocking GnuCash Email

Derek Atkins-3
AFAICT, it only affected yahoo domains (yahoo.com, yahoo.de, etc).
But whereas earlier today there were over 6000 queued emails, now there
are only 4422.  So mail is flowing a bit more.
-derek

On Fri, September 20, 2019 6:59 pm, Tommy Trussell wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 12:38 PM Derek Atkins <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Starting around September 10, Yahoo appears to have started blocking
>> SMTP (email) originating at code.gnucash.org.  This means that yahoo
>> users have been prevented from receiving any mail (including list mail
>> and bug mail), and worse, they've been blocked from sending mail *to*
>> the list as well (due to sender-verify blocking them because yahoo is
>> blocking us).
>>
>
> Does it affect other domains, too? In 2008 ATT bought Yahoo!, and for
> years
> the Yahoo! people handled email for all the former telecom domains under
> the ATT umbrella. Now (since 2017?) Verizon owns (part of) what used to be
> Yahoo! but the same entity may still handle email for some of the former
> domains.
>
> https://help.returnpath.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002811867-AT-T-Bellsouth-and-SBC-overview
>
>
> Here's a list of domains I found (though several may no longer be active).
>
> @ameritech.net
> @att.net
> @bellsouth.net
> @flash.net
> @nvbell.net
> @pacbell.net
> @prodigy.net
> @sbcglobal.net
> @snet.net
> @swbell.net
> @wans.net
>


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