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[GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions

David Cousens
Hi

Could some one with the appropriate authorization possibly add the Wiki
Media Maths extension to the server?
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/advancedSettings

I am using a bit of maths to describe setting up non interest bearing loans
and it is proving difficult to layout in just HTML

Thanks

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions

Derek Atkins
Hi,

David Cousens <[hidden email]> writes:

> Hi
>
> Could some one with the appropriate authorization possibly add the Wiki
> Media Maths extension to the server?
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/advancedSettings
>
> I am using a bit of maths to describe setting up non interest bearing loans
> and it is proving difficult to layout in just HTML

I was reading over this and it seems pretty complicated to install.
It's not a simple "pull down and turn on" plugin -- it requires building
or configuring some additional services.

I will try to find the time to do this, but I don't think it will happen
this calendar year (I'm going on holiday Friday for 2 weeks and expect
to have very little time during that period).

Please remind me Jan 7 if I don't get back to you by then.

> Thanks
>
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Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions

David Cousens
Thanks Derek,

I'll send a reminder in the new year. I may be able to do it by setting it up in a Tex editor and doing a screenshot
but that makes it much harder to edit in future.  Have a nice Christmas.

David

On Mon, 2018-12-17 at 09:47 -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:

> Hi,
>
> David Cousens <[hidden email]> writes:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Could some one with the appropriate authorization possibly add the Wiki
> > Media Maths extension to the server?
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/advancedSettings
> >
> > I am using a bit of maths to describe setting up non interest bearing loans
> > and it is proving difficult to layout in just HTML
>
> I was reading over this and it seems pretty complicated to install.
> It's not a simple "pull down and turn on" plugin -- it requires building
> or configuring some additional services.
>
> I will try to find the time to do this, but I don't think it will happen
> this calendar year (I'm going on holiday Friday for 2 weeks and expect
> to have very little time during that period).
>
> Please remind me Jan 7 if I don't get back to you by then.
>
> > Thanks
> >
> > David Cousens
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions

Adrien Monteleone-2
LibreOffice has a pretty decent math component, though not nearly as good as Tex I’m sure.

Regards,
Adrien.

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:39 PM, David Cousens <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Thanks Derek,
>
> I'll send a reminder in the new year. I may be able to do it by setting it up in a Tex editor and doing a screenshot
> but that makes it much harder to edit in future.  Have a nice Christmas.
>
> David
>
> On Mon, 2018-12-17 at 09:47 -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> David Cousens <[hidden email]> writes:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Could some one with the appropriate authorization possibly add the Wiki
>>> Media Maths extension to the server?
>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/advancedSettings
>>>
>>> I am using a bit of maths to describe setting up non interest bearing loans
>>> and it is proving difficult to layout in just HTML
>>
>> I was reading over this and it seems pretty complicated to install.
>> It's not a simple "pull down and turn on" plugin -- it requires building
>> or configuring some additional services.
>>
>> I will try to find the time to do this, but I don't think it will happen
>> this calendar year (I'm going on holiday Friday for 2 weeks and expect
>> to have very little time during that period).
>>
>> Please remind me Jan 7 if I don't get back to you by then.
>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> David Cousens
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions

David Cousens
Hi Adrien,

I am not too worried about the short term but having images  in the wiki for
maths content makes it much harder for future maintenance. I can work around
it until Derek gets round to adding the maths rendering capability to  the
Wiki.

David



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Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions

David Cousens
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Hi Steve,

If you want to contibute the best start is to joint the GnuCash Dev and GnuCash User mailing lists
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists as suggested

The mailing lists are also accessible via a Nabble web interface which I find easier to use than email but that is a
personal preference.

http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/.

One thing that is not obvious is you need to register separately for the mailing lists and the Nabble interface
otherwise your posts end up in moderation limbo for a time. Same credentials seems to work OK. If you are replying by
email the use the Reply to All or Reply to List to make sure posts reach the list so that all the list contributors can
see and respond.  The Dev list doesn't have a lot of traffic at times, usually increases around a rlease. I think a lot
of main developers also use the IRC channel regularly.

The GnuCash code can be daunting to find your way round at first. I have found Sourcetrail useful in that regard for
finding linked code in the different sections. Code documentation is fairly sparse.

Are you using GnuCash as a user? That may help with some familiararity with the terminolgy. If not
http://www.gnucash.org/docs.phtml will give you an introduction

The Wiki has a development page which links some other information relevant for the process.
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Development
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Development_Process

The core developers at the moment are Geert Janssens, John Ralls and Derek Atkins. There is also a list of the
historical developers somewhere in the code base. Some are still actively working on the code.

There is also a documentation team and a separate github repository for the docs.

Good luck

David Cousens



On Tue, 2018-12-18 at 01:26 +0000, Steve Aldrich wrote:

> Hi David, My name is Steve Aldrich. I am a software engineer with about 30 years of experience. I have a bachelor's
> and master's degree in computer science. I am able to help with the gnu cash development.
> I looked on the web and one reccomendation was "get on a mailing list and see what's happening." So, I did that, and
> that's how I got your name. I don't really follow anything that is discussed.
>
> Here's the bottom line. If anyone wants a very good programmer to help out I can do that. I've written programs since
> the 70s and used everything from Ada to Xerces.
>
> Please let me know if anyone can give me some kind of assignment or help me find a place to contribute.
> Feel free to pass this note along to anyone else in the chain.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve Aldrich
> Bozeman MT, USA
>
> On Sunday, December 16, 2018, 8:46:03 PM MST, David Cousens <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> Could some one with the appropriate authorization possibly add the Wiki
> Media Maths extension to the server?
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/advancedSettings
>
> I am using a bit of maths to describe setting up non interest bearing loans
> and it is proving difficult to layout in just HTML
>
> Thanks
>
> David Cousens
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions

Derek Atkins
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David Cousens <[hidden email]> writes:

> Hi Adrien,
>
> I am not too worried about the short term but having images  in the wiki for
> maths content makes it much harder for future maintenance. I can work around
> it until Derek gets round to adding the maths rendering capability to  the
> Wiki.

As a side note, I'm curious what math objects you really need for a
GnuCash wiki.

> David

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Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions - requirements

Frank H. Ellenberger-3
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Hi David,

Am 17.12.18 um 04:45 schrieb David Cousens:

> Hi
>
> Could some one with the appropriate authorization possibly add the Wiki
> Media Maths extension to the server?
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/advancedSettings
>
> I am using a bit of maths to describe setting up non interest bearing loans
> and it is proving difficult to layout in just HTML
>
> Thanks
>
> David Cousens

today I looked at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math#Viewing_math
and it seems, the users have to install fonts and many also extensions
for their browsers to see Maths in the wiki pages.

While I think MathML should be today the first choice to write formulas,
I have doubts, we can expect from most users to install browser extensions.

Any suggestions?
Frank

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Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions - requirements

David Cousens
Frank,

Most browsers can usually handle maths already. Certainly Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge for PC's laptops, Android and
iPhone that I am aware of. The extensions are normally added to the server, so that it can supply the text in the
appropriate form to the browser. I use the Wiki markup a fair bit on Wikipedia pages and a few physics and maths forums
and once its setup, it is pretty transparent to the viewer of the page. On Linux it is a module texcv which is loaded
and a few changes to the Wikimedia config files to enable it.

Most mathematicians/physicists tend to use Tex for maths markup because it is complete and conforms to the typesetting
requirements of publishers and it was available back in the dark ages before anyone had heard of a markup language. I
first used it around 1980 for a thesis. As the MathML markups are incorporated in a lot of wordprocessors these days
that may change. MathML<->Tex converters are readily available. The Wiki Media setup seems to able to use both but I am
not sure on that.

David


On Wed, 2018-12-19 at 18:40 +0100, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Am 17.12.18 um 04:45 schrieb David Cousens:
> > Hi
> >
> > Could some one with the appropriate authorization possibly add the Wiki
> > Media Maths extension to the server?
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/advancedSettings
> >
> > I am using a bit of maths to describe setting up non interest bearing loans
> > and it is proving difficult to layout in just HTML
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > David Cousens
>
> today I looked at
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math#Viewing_math
> and it seems, the users have to install fonts and many also extensions
> for their browsers to see Maths in the wiki pages.
>
> While I think MathML should be today the first choice to write formulas,
> I have doubts, we can expect from most users to install browser extensions.
>
> Any suggestions?
> Frank
>

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