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[GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

john_mike
Hi,

I have just reconciled a number of account perfectly normally but now I am
having a problem.

I have moved on to a different account and the reconciliation totals are not
adding up correctly.

The account opening balance was negative. I cleared funds into the account
but instead of the negative balance becoming less the negative balance
became greater.

I cleared all the funds in and funds out. The difference between these
cleared totals was correct and should have resulted in a reconciliation
difference of 0.00. It didn't it, resulted in a reconciliation difference of
double that required to reach zero.

The start difference was £72.15.

Funds in was £331.12  

Funds out was £258.97

The i.e. net movement £72.15.

But the reconciliation balance was £144.30


Why is this happening and what can be done to solve it?


TIA



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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

Maf. King
On Saturday, 19 January 2019 10:21:52 GMT john_mike wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have just reconciled a number of account perfectly normally but now I am
> having a problem.
>
> I have moved on to a different account and the reconciliation totals are not
> adding up correctly.
>
> The account opening balance was negative. I cleared funds into the account
> but instead of the negative balance becoming less the negative balance
> became greater.
>
> I cleared all the funds in and funds out. The difference between these
> cleared totals was correct and should have resulted in a reconciliation
> difference of 0.00. It didn't it, resulted in a reconciliation difference of
> double that required to reach zero.
>
> The start difference was £72.15.
>
> Funds in was £331.12
>
> Funds out was £258.97
>
> The i.e. net movement £72.15.
>
> But the reconciliation balance was £144.30
>
>
> Why is this happening and what can be done to solve it?
>
>
> TIA
>
>

Hi,

the usual advice is firstly to ignore the opening balance and try and reconcile
anyway - a transaction from an earlier period may have been (unwittingly) un-
reconciled by you editing something in one of the other registers affecting
the transaction.

Have you possibly put a transaction in the wrong column - eg a retailer refund
to a credit card is easy (with auto-complete's help) to put in as a purchase
without realizing that you still need to swap the transfer columns?

HTH,
Maf.




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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

john_mike
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I have done several tests today.

I have set number various fake accounts with type credit card.

I all cases the reconciliation does not work. In every case the opening
balance, ending balance, in's and outs have been correctly entered and very
carefully checked. But in each case it was necessary to create a balancing
entry to close out the reconciliation.

I have read up on the GNUcash help regarding reconciliation of a credit card
account. I have followed this to the letter and it make no difference.

I conclude that reconciling a credit card type account is not possible.

I have therefore looked and moving all the transaction to a normal asset
account where I know the reconciliation does work.

I did some tests using the delete and move transaction to a new account -
unfortunately this does not work as you are only allowed to move a credit
card type to another credit card type.

I am therefore starting the process of cut and paste to move from a credit
card type to and asset type account. It is several 1000 entries so it is
going to take a little while.

It would be nice if someone could explain why reconciling a credit card type
of account cannot be reconciled.

I hope this post stops someone else falling into this trap.





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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

stephen.m.butler51
My CC is set up as a straight liability account.  Reconciliation works fine with it.


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-------- Original message --------From: john_mike <[hidden email]> Date: 1/19/19  09:38  (GMT-08:00) To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??
I have done several tests today.

I have set number various fake accounts with type credit card.

I all cases the reconciliation does not work. In every case the opening
balance, ending balance, in's and outs have been correctly entered and very
carefully checked. But in each case it was necessary to create a balancing
entry to close out the reconciliation.

I have read up on the GNUcash help regarding reconciliation of a credit card
account. I have followed this to the letter and it make no difference.

I conclude that reconciling a credit card type account is not possible.

I have therefore looked and moving all the transaction to a normal asset
account where I know the reconciliation does work.

I did some tests using the delete and move transaction to a new account -
unfortunately this does not work as you are only allowed to move a credit
card type to another credit card type.

I am therefore starting the process of cut and paste to move from a credit
card type to and asset type account. It is several 1000 entries so it is
going to take a little while.

It would be nice if someone could explain why reconciling a credit card type
of account cannot be reconciled.

I hope this post stops someone else falling into this trap.





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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

David Carlson-4
On Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 11:50 AM stephen.m.butler51 <
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> My CC is set up as a straight liability account.  Reconciliation works
> fine with it.
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: john_mike <
> [hidden email]> Date: 1/19/19  09:38  (GMT-08:00) To:
> [hidden email] Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding
> up correctly - what to do??
> I have done several tests today.
>
> I have set number various fake accounts with type credit card.
>
> I all cases the reconciliation does not work. In every case the opening
> balance, ending balance, in's and outs have been correctly entered and very
> carefully checked. But in each case it was necessary to create a balancing
> entry to close out the reconciliation.
>
> I have read up on the GNUcash help regarding reconciliation of a credit
> card
> account. I have followed this to the letter and it make no difference.
>
> I conclude that reconciling a credit card type account is not possible.
>
> I have therefore looked and moving all the transaction to a normal asset
> account where I know the reconciliation does work.
>
> I did some tests using the delete and move transaction to a new account -
> unfortunately this does not work as you are only allowed to move a credit
> card type to another credit card type.
>
> I am therefore starting the process of cut and paste to move from a credit
> card type to and asset type account. It is several 1000 entries so it is
> going to take a little while.
>
> It would be nice if someone could explain why reconciling a credit card
> type
> of account cannot be reconciled.
>
> I hope this post stops someone else falling into this trap.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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John_mike

The reconciliation process has been working fine for years on all four
basic account types.  Either your accounts are not set up correctly or you
are not using them correctly.

Many users, myself included, only reconcile bank accounts and credit card
accounts.

There have been some reports here that in releases 3.0 thru 3.4 the new
reconciliation report has some issues, but that is separate from the basic
process.


Perhaps you can include images of one of your ficticious credit card
accounts to show us what you consider wrong.


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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

David Cousens
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The reconciliation procedure works fine for me  on several bank accounts, my
credit card and paypal accounts in V2.6.19 and earlier, V3.1, V3.2, V3.3 and
V3.4 provided previous reconciliations of the account were correct and no
transactions have been accidentally unreconciled.

In the example you quote you have a starting difference of 72.15. The net
movement of 72.15  and an end balance of 144.30 which is as it should be:

closing balance = starting balance +funds in -funds out
144.30 = 72.15 + 331.12 - 258.97 = 114.30

You can only get a reconciliation difference of 0 if the starting balance
(generated by previous reconciliation) is actually the balance in your
account at the specified start date. AFAIK the starting balance shown in the
dialog is the reconciled balance at the end of the last reconciled period.
Any changes made to reconciled transactions before that date after they have
been reconciled will change the actual starting balance in the account from
the reconciled value. I think it was possible to make changes to reconciled
transactions in one register by editing one of the other splits to the
transaction in some earlier versions of GnuCash and this automatically
unreconciled the transaction. I think recent changes only unreconcile a
transaction if specific information about the transaction and/or the amount
of the split affecting the reconciled account are changed but not sure
whether this is the case for the current release or not.

First thing to check is for any unreconciled transactions before the start
date of the reconciliation you are having problems with. If you find any go
back and redo the reconciliations forward from the period which contained
the unreconciled transaction to make sure everything is correct. The
starting difference of 72.15 being the same as the difference in funds in
and funds out suggests some sort of regular transaction for 72.15 might be
unrecorded or unreconciled.
Good luck

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

john_mike
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I absolutely cannot account for this. But I repeated my tests after your post. I set up another new dummy cc account and tested a reconciliation. It worked!!!

I then went back to my cc account. It still didn't work.

I then set up another cc account and transferred a months worth of data from old to new and reconciled it. It worked!

I have now transferred a years worth a month at a time the new cc account reconciles.

Just to prove i wasn't mad I then went back to the original account and tried a dummy reconciliation. It failed. So I have no clue as the why that account is messed up. But it is.

I have now moved 2 years worth of data over to the new account. It has taken about 10 hours but I am now back on track.

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019, at 5:48 PM, stephen.m.butler51 wrote:

> My CC is set up as a straight liability account. Reconciliation works fine with it.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: john_mike <[hidden email]>
> Date: 1/19/19 09:38 (GMT-08:00)
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??
>
> I have done several tests today.
>
> I have set number various fake accounts with type credit card.
>
> I all cases the reconciliation does not work. In every case the opening
> balance, ending balance, in's and outs have been correctly entered and very
> carefully checked. But in each case it was necessary to create a balancing
> entry to close out the reconciliation.
>
> I have read up on the GNUcash help regarding reconciliation of a credit card
> account. I have followed this to the letter and it make no difference.
>
> I conclude that reconciling a credit card type account is not possible.
>
> I have therefore looked and moving all the transaction to a normal asset
> account where I know the reconciliation does work.
>
> I did some tests using the delete and move transaction to a new account -
> unfortunately this does not work as you are only allowed to move a credit
> card type to another credit card type.
>
> I am therefore starting the process of cut and paste to move from a credit
> card type to and asset type account. It is several 1000 entries so it is
> going to take a little while.
>
> It would be nice if someone could explain why reconciling a credit card type
> of account cannot be reconciled.
>
> I hope this post stops someone else falling into this trap.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

Stephen M. Butler
On 1/20/19 10:39 AM, Mike Stillingfleet wrote:

> I absolutely cannot account for this. But I repeated my tests after
> your post. I set up another new dummy cc account and tested a
> reconciliation. It worked!!!
>
> I then went back to my cc account. It still didn't work. 
>
> I then set up another cc account and transferred a months worth of
> data from old to new and reconciled it. It worked!
>
> I have now transferred a years worth a month at a time the new cc
> account reconciles. 
>
> Just to prove i wasn't mad I then went back to the original account
> and tried a dummy reconciliation.  It failed. So I have no clue as the
> why that account is messed up. But it is.
>
> I have now moved 2 years worth of data over to the new account. It has
> taken about 10 hours but I am now back on track.
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019, at 5:48 PM, stephen.m.butler51 wrote:
>> My CC is set up as a straight liability account.  Reconciliation
>> works fine with it.
<<snip>>
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>
Good to know that it's that account and not something for the credit
card type.

Thanks for letting folks know.

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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

Adrien Monteleone-2
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Sorry to break this to you after the fact, but GnuCash could have moved all those transactions for you in a second or two.

In the future:

1. Create new account
2. Delete old account
3. When GnuCash asks you what to do with all those transactions, tell it the new account to move them to.


Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 20, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Mike Stillingfleet <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I absolutely cannot account for this. But I repeated my tests after your post. I set up another new dummy cc account and tested a reconciliation. It worked!!!
>
> I then went back to my cc account. It still didn't work.
>
> I then set up another cc account and transferred a months worth of data from old to new and reconciled it. It worked!
>
> I have now transferred a years worth a month at a time the new cc account reconciles.
>
> Just to prove i wasn't mad I then went back to the original account and tried a dummy reconciliation. It failed. So I have no clue as the why that account is messed up. But it is.
>
> I have now moved 2 years worth of data over to the new account. It has taken about 10 hours but I am now back on track.
>


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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

Finbar Mahon
In reply to this post by David Cousens
I understand the logic of what you describe, but, I started using
GNUCash with effect from 1.1.2018.

The opening balance on the bank statement for one of the asset a/c was
€3,986.22 and the ending balance on 16.2.2018 was €5,117.09

Gnucash shows the ending balance as €5,117.02 but the reconcile shows
another figure of €1,674.47 as the opening balance (bottom right hand
side) while the left hand panel (funds in) shows the correct opening
balance....

The outcome of the reconcile is the same as the opening balance above
but now it is -ve!!

Confused :-(

On 19/01/2019 22:26, David Cousens wrote:

> The reconciliation procedure works fine for me  on several bank accounts, my
> credit card and paypal accounts in V2.6.19 and earlier, V3.1, V3.2, V3.3 and
> V3.4 provided previous reconciliations of the account were correct and no
> transactions have been accidentally unreconciled.
>
> In the example you quote you have a starting difference of 72.15. The net
> movement of 72.15  and an end balance of 144.30 which is as it should be:
>
> closing balance = starting balance +funds in -funds out
> 144.30 = 72.15 + 331.12 - 258.97 = 114.30
>
> You can only get a reconciliation difference of 0 if the starting balance
> (generated by previous reconciliation) is actually the balance in your
> account at the specified start date. AFAIK the starting balance shown in the
> dialog is the reconciled balance at the end of the last reconciled period.
> Any changes made to reconciled transactions before that date after they have
> been reconciled will change the actual starting balance in the account from
> the reconciled value. I think it was possible to make changes to reconciled
> transactions in one register by editing one of the other splits to the
> transaction in some earlier versions of GnuCash and this automatically
> unreconciled the transaction. I think recent changes only unreconcile a
> transaction if specific information about the transaction and/or the amount
> of the split affecting the reconciled account are changed but not sure
> whether this is the case for the current release or not.
>
> First thing to check is for any unreconciled transactions before the start
> date of the reconciliation you are having problems with. If you find any go
> back and redo the reconciliations forward from the period which contained
> the unreconciled transaction to make sure everything is correct. The
> starting difference of 72.15 being the same as the difference in funds in
> and funds out suggests some sort of regular transaction for 72.15 might be
> unrecorded or unreconciled.
> Good luck
>
> David Cousens
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

Colin Law
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 13:59, Finbar Mahon <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I understand the logic of what you describe, but, I started using
> GNUCash with effect from 1.1.2018.
>
> The opening balance on the bank statement for one of the asset a/c was
> €3,986.22 and the ending balance on 16.2.2018 was €5,117.09
>
> Gnucash shows the ending balance as €5,117.02 but the reconcile shows
> another figure of €1,674.47 as the opening balance (bottom right hand
> side) while the left hand panel (funds in) shows the correct opening
> balance....

When you start a reconcile it should show the opening balance the same
as on your bank statement and you should manually enter the ending
balance to the value it shows on the bank statement.  Are you doing
that?

I don't understand where you are seeing the figures you describe.  Can
you post a screenshot showing it?

Colin

>
> The outcome of the reconcile is the same as the opening balance above
> but now it is -ve!!
>
> Confused :-(
>
> On 19/01/2019 22:26, David Cousens wrote:
> > The reconciliation procedure works fine for me  on several bank accounts, my
> > credit card and paypal accounts in V2.6.19 and earlier, V3.1, V3.2, V3.3 and
> > V3.4 provided previous reconciliations of the account were correct and no
> > transactions have been accidentally unreconciled.
> >
> > In the example you quote you have a starting difference of 72.15. The net
> > movement of 72.15  and an end balance of 144.30 which is as it should be:
> >
> > closing balance = starting balance +funds in -funds out
> > 144.30 = 72.15 + 331.12 - 258.97 = 114.30
> >
> > You can only get a reconciliation difference of 0 if the starting balance
> > (generated by previous reconciliation) is actually the balance in your
> > account at the specified start date. AFAIK the starting balance shown in the
> > dialog is the reconciled balance at the end of the last reconciled period.
> > Any changes made to reconciled transactions before that date after they have
> > been reconciled will change the actual starting balance in the account from
> > the reconciled value. I think it was possible to make changes to reconciled
> > transactions in one register by editing one of the other splits to the
> > transaction in some earlier versions of GnuCash and this automatically
> > unreconciled the transaction. I think recent changes only unreconcile a
> > transaction if specific information about the transaction and/or the amount
> > of the split affecting the reconciled account are changed but not sure
> > whether this is the case for the current release or not.
> >
> > First thing to check is for any unreconciled transactions before the start
> > date of the reconciliation you are having problems with. If you find any go
> > back and redo the reconciliations forward from the period which contained
> > the unreconciled transaction to make sure everything is correct. The
> > starting difference of 72.15 being the same as the difference in funds in
> > and funds out suggests some sort of regular transaction for 72.15 might be
> > unrecorded or unreconciled.
> > Good luck
> >
> > David Cousens
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

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As noted in the Tutorial, the opening balance in a reconciliation is immaterial. What matters is the ending balance. If they match, then you can finish reconciliation.

The Tutorial explains some of the circumstances that might cause an opening balance not to match.

David T.

On January 24, 2019, at 9:30 PM, Colin Law <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 13:59, Finbar Mahon <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I understand the logic of what you describe, but, I started using
> GNUCash with effect from 1.1.2018.
>
> The opening balance on the bank statement for one of the asset a/c was
> €3,986.22 and the ending balance on 16.2.2018 was €5,117.09
>
> Gnucash shows the ending balance as €5,117.02 but the reconcile shows
> another figure of €1,674.47 as the opening balance (bottom right hand
> side) while the left hand panel (funds in) shows the correct opening
> balance....

When you start a reconcile it should show the opening balance the same
as on your bank statement and you should manually enter the ending
balance to the value it shows on the bank statement.  Are you doing
that?

I don't understand where you are seeing the figures you describe.  Can
you post a screenshot showing it?

Colin

>
> The outcome of the reconcile is the same as the opening balance above
> but now it is -ve!!
>
> Confused :-(
>
> On 19/01/2019 22:26, David Cousens wrote:
> > The reconciliation procedure works fine for me  on several bank accounts, my
> > credit card and paypal accounts in V2.6.19 and earlier, V3.1, V3.2, V3.3 and
> > V3.4 provided previous reconciliations of the account were correct and no
> > transactions have been accidentally unreconciled.
> >
> > In the example you quote you have a starting difference of 72.15. The net
> > movement of 72.15  and an end balance of 144.30 which is as it should be:
> >
> > closing balance = starting balance +funds in -funds out
> > 144.30 = 72.15 + 331.12 - 258.97 = 114.30
> >
> > You can only get a reconciliation difference of 0 if the starting balance
> > (generated by previous reconciliation) is actually the balance in your
> > account at the specified start date. AFAIK the starting balance shown in the
> > dialog is the reconciled balance at the end of the last reconciled period.
> > Any changes made to reconciled transactions before that date after they have
> > been reconciled will change the actual starting balance in the account from
> > the reconciled value. I think it was possible to make changes to reconciled
> > transactions in one register by editing one of the other splits to the
> > transaction in some earlier versions of GnuCash and this automatically
> > unreconciled the transaction. I think recent changes only unreconcile a
> > transaction if specific information about the transaction and/or the amount
> > of the split affecting the reconciled account are changed but not sure
> > whether this is the case for the current release or not.
> >
> > First thing to check is for any unreconciled transactions before the start
> > date of the reconciliation you are having problems with. If you find any go
> > back and redo the reconciliations forward from the period which contained
> > the unreconciled transaction to make sure everything is correct. The
> > starting difference of 72.15 being the same as the difference in funds in
> > and funds out suggests some sort of regular transaction for 72.15 might be
> > unrecorded or unreconciled.
> > Good luck
> >
> > David Cousens
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 16:52, D <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> As noted in the Tutorial, the opening balance in a reconciliation is immaterial. What matters is the ending balance. If they match, then you can finish reconciliation.

It is not immaterial in the sense that if it does not match that from
the bank statement then something is wrong, or at least unusual, such
as is the very first reconcile in which case the first transaction
should be the initial balance which should match the opening balance
on the statement.

Colin

>
> The Tutorial explains some of the circumstances that might cause an opening balance not to match.
>
> David T.
>
> On January 24, 2019, at 9:30 PM, Colin Law <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 13:59, Finbar Mahon <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > I understand the logic of what you describe, but, I started using
> > GNUCash with effect from 1.1.2018.
> >
> > The opening balance on the bank statement for one of the asset a/c was
> > €3,986.22 and the ending balance on 16.2.2018 was €5,117.09
> >
> > Gnucash shows the ending balance as €5,117.02 but the reconcile shows
> > another figure of €1,674.47 as the opening balance (bottom right hand
> > side) while the left hand panel (funds in) shows the correct opening
> > balance....
>
> When you start a reconcile it should show the opening balance the same
> as on your bank statement and you should manually enter the ending
> balance to the value it shows on the bank statement.  Are you doing
> that?
>
> I don't understand where you are seeing the figures you describe.  Can
> you post a screenshot showing it?
>
> Colin
>
> >
> > The outcome of the reconcile is the same as the opening balance above
> > but now it is -ve!!
> >
> > Confused :-(
> >
> > On 19/01/2019 22:26, David Cousens wrote:
> > > The reconciliation procedure works fine for me  on several bank accounts, my
> > > credit card and paypal accounts in V2.6.19 and earlier, V3.1, V3.2, V3.3 and
> > > V3.4 provided previous reconciliations of the account were correct and no
> > > transactions have been accidentally unreconciled.
> > >
> > > In the example you quote you have a starting difference of 72.15. The net
> > > movement of 72.15  and an end balance of 144.30 which is as it should be:
> > >
> > > closing balance = starting balance +funds in -funds out
> > > 144.30 = 72.15 + 331.12 - 258.97 = 114.30
> > >
> > > You can only get a reconciliation difference of 0 if the starting balance
> > > (generated by previous reconciliation) is actually the balance in your
> > > account at the specified start date. AFAIK the starting balance shown in the
> > > dialog is the reconciled balance at the end of the last reconciled period.
> > > Any changes made to reconciled transactions before that date after they have
> > > been reconciled will change the actual starting balance in the account from
> > > the reconciled value. I think it was possible to make changes to reconciled
> > > transactions in one register by editing one of the other splits to the
> > > transaction in some earlier versions of GnuCash and this automatically
> > > unreconciled the transaction. I think recent changes only unreconcile a
> > > transaction if specific information about the transaction and/or the amount
> > > of the split affecting the reconciled account are changed but not sure
> > > whether this is the case for the current release or not.
> > >
> > > First thing to check is for any unreconciled transactions before the start
> > > date of the reconciliation you are having problems with. If you find any go
> > > back and redo the reconciliations forward from the period which contained
> > > the unreconciled transaction to make sure everything is correct. The
> > > starting difference of 72.15 being the same as the difference in funds in
> > > and funds out suggests some sort of regular transaction for 72.15 might be
> > > unrecorded or unreconciled.
> > > Good luck
> > >
> > > David Cousens
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
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> > > --
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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

Larry Long
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 If your reconciliation is not balancing, it might be worth a quick scan to ensure that any items that you know were reconciled previously are still registered as "cleared".
Over the past year [v3.4, Win10], I've had several occasions where my reconciliation for a credit card or bank account would not balance.  During the most recent two instances, I happened to notice that one or two items that I had reconciled the previous month were showing as "uncleared".  As soon as I checked them, my balance came out OK.
Larry

    On Thursday, January 24, 2019, 6:02:50 PM EST, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:  
 
 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 17:01:47 +0000
From: Colin Law <[hidden email]>

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 16:52, D <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> As noted in the Tutorial, the opening balance in a reconciliation is immaterial. What matters is the ending balance. If they match, then you can finish reconciliation.

It is not immaterial in the sense that if it does not match that from
the bank statement then something is wrong, or at least unusual, such
as is the very first reconcile in which case the first transaction
should be the initial balance which should match the opening balance
on the statement.

Colin

...[snip]...
 
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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

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I don't understand where you are seeing the figures you describe.  Can
you post a screenshot showing it?

This what I get at the bottom right hand side.

On 24/01/2019 17:51, D wrote:

> As noted in the Tutorial, the opening balance in a reconciliation is immaterial. What matters is the ending balance. If they match, then you can finish reconciliation.
>
> The Tutorial explains some of the circumstances that might cause an opening balance not to match.
>
> David T.
>
> On January 24, 2019, at 9:30 PM, Colin Law <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 13:59, Finbar Mahon <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I understand the logic of what you describe, but, I started using
>> GNUCash with effect from 1.1.2018.
>>
>> The opening balance on the bank statement for one of the asset a/c was
>> €3,986.22 and the ending balance on 16.2.2018 was €5,117.09
>>
>> Gnucash shows the ending balance as €5,117.02 but the reconcile shows
>> another figure of €1,674.47 as the opening balance (bottom right hand
>> side) while the left hand panel (funds in) shows the correct opening
>> balance....
> When you start a reconcile it should show the opening balance the same
> as on your bank statement and you should manually enter the ending
> balance to the value it shows on the bank statement.  Are you doing
> that?
>
> I don't understand where you are seeing the figures you describe.  Can
> you post a screenshot showing it?
>
> Colin
>
>> The outcome of the reconcile is the same as the opening balance above
>> but now it is -ve!!
>>
>> Confused :-(
>>
>> On 19/01/2019 22:26, David Cousens wrote:
>>> The reconciliation procedure works fine for me  on several bank accounts, my
>>> credit card and paypal accounts in V2.6.19 and earlier, V3.1, V3.2, V3.3 and
>>> V3.4 provided previous reconciliations of the account were correct and no
>>> transactions have been accidentally unreconciled.
>>>
>>> In the example you quote you have a starting difference of 72.15. The net
>>> movement of 72.15  and an end balance of 144.30 which is as it should be:
>>>
>>> closing balance = starting balance +funds in -funds out
>>> 144.30 = 72.15 + 331.12 - 258.97 = 114.30
>>>
>>> You can only get a reconciliation difference of 0 if the starting balance
>>> (generated by previous reconciliation) is actually the balance in your
>>> account at the specified start date. AFAIK the starting balance shown in the
>>> dialog is the reconciled balance at the end of the last reconciled period.
>>> Any changes made to reconciled transactions before that date after they have
>>> been reconciled will change the actual starting balance in the account from
>>> the reconciled value. I think it was possible to make changes to reconciled
>>> transactions in one register by editing one of the other splits to the
>>> transaction in some earlier versions of GnuCash and this automatically
>>> unreconciled the transaction. I think recent changes only unreconcile a
>>> transaction if specific information about the transaction and/or the amount
>>> of the split affecting the reconciled account are changed but not sure
>>> whether this is the case for the current release or not.
>>>
>>> First thing to check is for any unreconciled transactions before the start
>>> date of the reconciliation you are having problems with. If you find any go
>>> back and redo the reconciliations forward from the period which contained
>>> the unreconciled transaction to make sure everything is correct. The
>>> starting difference of 72.15 being the same as the difference in funds in
>>> and funds out suggests some sort of regular transaction for 72.15 might be
>>> unrecorded or unreconciled.
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> David Cousens
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
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>>> --
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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

Colin Law
Do the starting and ending balances shown there match the ones on the bank
statement you are reconciling against?

Colin

On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 at 11:51, Finbar Mahon <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I don't understand where you are seeing the figures you describe.  Can
> you post a screenshot showing it?
>
> This what I get at the bottom right hand side.
>
>

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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

Adrien Monteleone-2
Strange how the OP’s post doesn’t show the screenshot, but it is visible in your reply...

Presuming the ending balance is from the statement, perhaps the OP is ticking off transactions beyond those necessary to reconcile?

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 26, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Colin Law <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Do the starting and ending balances shown there match the ones on the bank
> statement you are reconciling against?
>
> Colin
>
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 at 11:51, Finbar Mahon <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I don't understand where you are seeing the figures you describe.  Can
>> you post a screenshot showing it?
>>
>> This what I get at the bottom right hand side.
>>
>>
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 at 18:16, Adrien Monteleone
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> Strange how the OP’s post doesn’t show the screenshot, but it is visible in your reply...

I can see it in the original in gmail web i/f, but I am not sure how
it is included. My reply seems to have converted it to an attached
image.

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Adrien Monteleone-2
Curious. I frequently can’t see attachments, sometimes including my own (and so gave up attaching and just using img.ur)

I wonder now if this is a failing of Mail.app or my ISP.

Wonderful, yet another rabbit hole to dive down...but thanks for the compass directions

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 26, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Colin Law <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 at 18:16, Adrien Monteleone
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Strange how the OP’s post doesn’t show the screenshot, but it is visible in your reply...
>
> I can see it in the original in gmail web i/f, but I am not sure how
> it is included. My reply seems to have converted it to an attached
> image.
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Re: [GNC] Reconciliation is not adding up correctly - what to do??

Colin Law
In the original message, in the html section, the image is

<img src="cid:[hidden email]" width="000000263"
        height="000000145" border="0">

I guess that means it is an image on the senders mail server.

Colin


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>
> Curious. I frequently can’t see attachments, sometimes including my own (and so gave up attaching and just using img.ur)
>
> I wonder now if this is a failing of Mail.app or my ISP.
>
> Wonderful, yet another rabbit hole to dive down...but thanks for the compass directions
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Jan 26, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Colin Law <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 at 18:16, Adrien Monteleone
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Strange how the OP’s post doesn’t show the screenshot, but it is visible in your reply...
> >
> > I can see it in the original in gmail web i/f, but I am not sure how
> > it is included. My reply seems to have converted it to an attached
> > image.
> >
> > Colin
> >
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