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[GNC] Bills in Gnucash

Gustav Kriek
Hi there
I'm new to using Gnucash and its also the first time I'm doing my own
books. I just started working for myself, and as sole proprietor I need to
keep better track of things.
Ive set up all of my accounts and brought everything up to date...took me
quite a few hours to be honest. I just realised I dont have a way to log in
a bill, see when its must be paid or indicate it has been paid. I presume I
didnt make the correct selection when I chose my hierarchy. I don't want to
create a new profile because it took so long. Is there a way I can add this
in to what I already have?
I would appreciate any advise.
Gustav
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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

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Gustav,
Welcome to gnucash. Although I am not an expert in using the business features, I believe that you can add your customers and suppliers to your existing account structure without disruption. The chapter on using business features in the Guide should help you out. 
Best,David

 
 
  On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 13:46, Gustav Kriek<[hidden email]> wrote:   Hi there
I'm new to using Gnucash and its also the first time I'm doing my own
books. I just started working for myself, and as sole proprietor I need to
keep better track of things.
Ive set up all of my accounts and brought everything up to date...took me
quite a few hours to be honest. I just realised I dont have a way to log in
a bill, see when its must be paid or indicate it has been paid. I presume I
didnt make the correct selection when I chose my hierarchy. I don't want to
create a new profile because it took so long. Is there a way I can add this
in to what I already have?
I would appreciate any advise.
Gustav
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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

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Hi Gustav,

Welcome to gnucash!

It's not clear what you mean with "I don't have a way to log in a bill...". Did you try
Business->Vendor->New Bill... ?
What exactly didn't work ?

Regards,

Geert

Op donderdag 28 maart 2019 21:24:41 CET schreef Gustav Kriek:

> Hi there
> I'm new to using Gnucash and its also the first time I'm doing my own
> books. I just started working for myself, and as sole proprietor I need to
> keep better track of things.
> Ive set up all of my accounts and brought everything up to date...took me
> quite a few hours to be honest. I just realised I dont have a way to log in
> a bill, see when its must be paid or indicate it has been paid. I presume I
> didnt make the correct selection when I chose my hierarchy. I don't want to
> create a new profile because it took so long. Is there a way I can add this
> in to what I already have?
> I would appreciate any advise.
> Gustav
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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

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Gustav, try what Geert says.  You’ll need an Accounts Payable account under liabilities, and this is a standard accounting practice.

When you create a new bill you post it, and it shows in Accounts Payable.  When you pay against that bill, it goes also to Accounts Payable.  The billing system keeps vendors and bills organized so you know how much you owe each vendor and for what.

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> On Mar 29, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Geert Janssens <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> Welcome to gnucash!
>
> It's not clear what you mean with "I don't have a way to log in a bill...". Did you try
> Business->Vendor->New Bill... ?
> What exactly didn't work ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Geert
>
> Op donderdag 28 maart 2019 21:24:41 CET schreef Gustav Kriek:
>> Hi there
>> I'm new to using Gnucash and its also the first time I'm doing my own
>> books. I just started working for myself, and as sole proprietor I need to
>> keep better track of things.
>> Ive set up all of my accounts and brought everything up to date...took me
>> quite a few hours to be honest. I just realised I dont have a way to log in
>> a bill, see when its must be paid or indicate it has been paid. I presume I
>> didnt make the correct selection when I chose my hierarchy. I don't want to
>> create a new profile because it took so long. Is there a way I can add this
>> in to what I already have?
>> I would appreciate any advise.
>> Gustav
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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

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Before you can do any of the below, you need to “enable business features”.  I don’t run GnuCash on this machine, so I don’t know exactly where that is - something anyone only does once - but when you have done that you can create customers (who buy from you) and vendors (who sell to you), and then create invoices (associated with customers) and bills (associated with vendors).  Normally when invoices and bills are “posted” they create entries in Accounts Receivable and Accounts Payable respectively - which you don’t manipulate directly.  When you make/receive payment you go to the corresponding menu item (vendor->process payment or customer->process payment) and fill in the fields in the form that appears.  

At first it seems like a lot of overhead to have to create a customer for an invoice (if any one customer is unlikely to be repeat, you might want a pseudo-customer that you re-use)  or a vendor for a bill (more likely that vendors are recurring).  But once they’ve been created you just select them and there’s less typing.

> On Mar 29, 2019, at 7:23 AM, Justin Haynes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Gustav, try what Geert says.  You’ll need an Accounts Payable account under liabilities, and this is a standard accounting practice.
>
> When you create a new bill you post it, and it shows in Accounts Payable.  When you pay against that bill, it goes also to Accounts Payable.  The billing system keeps vendors and bills organized so you know how much you owe each vendor and for what.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 29, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Geert Janssens <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gustav,
>>
>> Welcome to gnucash!
>>
>> It's not clear what you mean with "I don't have a way to log in a bill...". Did you try
>> Business->Vendor->New Bill... ?
>> What exactly didn't work ?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Geert
>>
>> Op donderdag 28 maart 2019 21:24:41 CET schreef Gustav Kriek:
>>> Hi there
>>> I'm new to using Gnucash and its also the first time I'm doing my own
>>> books. I just started working for myself, and as sole proprietor I need to
>>> keep better track of things.
>>> Ive set up all of my accounts and brought everything up to date...took me
>>> quite a few hours to be honest. I just realised I dont have a way to log in
>>> a bill, see when its must be paid or indicate it has been paid. I presume I
>>> didnt make the correct selection when I chose my hierarchy. I don't want to
>>> create a new profile because it took so long. Is there a way I can add this
>>> in to what I already have?
>>> I would appreciate any advise.
>>> Gustav
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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

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I'm not sure what you're talking about. I just recently created a set of books for a business (my first attempt), and I had no need to "enable business features." 
David

 
 
  On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 5:18, R. Victor Klassen<[hidden email]> wrote:   Before you can do any of the below, you need to “enable business features”.  I don’t run GnuCash on this machine, so I don’t know exactly where that is - something anyone only does once - but when you have done that you can create customers (who buy from you) and vendors (who sell to you), and then create invoices (associated with customers) and bills (associated with vendors).  Normally when invoices and bills are “posted” they create entries in Accounts Receivable and Accounts Payable respectively - which you don’t manipulate directly.  When you make/receive payment you go to the corresponding menu item (vendor->process payment or customer->process payment) and fill in the fields in the form that appears. 

At first it seems like a lot of overhead to have to create a customer for an invoice (if any one customer is unlikely to be repeat, you might want a pseudo-customer that you re-use)  or a vendor for a bill (more likely that vendors are recurring).  But once they’ve been created you just select them and there’s less typing.

> On Mar 29, 2019, at 7:23 AM, Justin Haynes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Gustav, try what Geert says.  You’ll need an Accounts Payable account under liabilities, and this is a standard accounting practice.
>
> When you create a new bill you post it, and it shows in Accounts Payable.  When you pay against that bill, it goes also to Accounts Payable.  The billing system keeps vendors and bills organized so you know how much you owe each vendor and for what.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 29, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Geert Janssens <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gustav,
>>
>> Welcome to gnucash!
>>
>> It's not clear what you mean with "I don't have a way to log in a bill...". Did you try
>> Business->Vendor->New Bill... ?
>> What exactly didn't work ?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Geert
>>
>> Op donderdag 28 maart 2019 21:24:41 CET schreef Gustav Kriek:
>>> Hi there
>>> I'm new to using Gnucash and its also the first time I'm doing my own
>>> books. I just started working for myself, and as sole proprietor I need to
>>> keep better track of things.
>>> Ive set up all of my accounts and brought everything up to date...took me
>>> quite a few hours to be honest. I just realised I dont have a way to log in
>>> a bill, see when its must be paid or indicate it has been paid. I presume I
>>> didnt make the correct selection when I chose my hierarchy. I don't want to
>>> create a new profile because it took so long. Is there a way I can add this
>>> in to what I already have?
>>> I would appreciate any advise.
>>> Gustav
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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

Adrien Monteleone-2
I haven’t started a new file since 3.2 but that used to be an option when doing so. It could be done later if not in the startup wizard. Perhaps choosing the business account s template set the preference for you.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Mar 30, 2019, at 2:11 AM, David T. via gnucash-user <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I'm not sure what you're talking about. I just recently created a set of books for a business (my first attempt), and I had no need to "enable business features."
> David
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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

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On Saturday, 30 March 2019 09:09:21 GMT Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> I haven’t started a new file since 3.2 but that used to be an option when
> doing so. It could be done later if not in the startup wizard. Perhaps
> choosing the business account s template set the preference for you.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>

Hi,

IIRC, the new file wizard has a checkbox for "business Accounts" as a template,
which will set up the relevant A/P etc. accounts with the correct types, it
also allows the user to enter business details (name address) all as part of
the new file process.

Of course, GC allows the editing of the tree at any time, and there is a pref
(somewhere) for business details so it can all be done manually after the
wizard has run,  

I don't recall an "enable business" flag/option as such  in GC

HTH,
Maf.


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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

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On Saturday, 30 March 2019 09:09:21 GMT Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> I haven’t started a new file since 3.2 but that used to be an option when
> doing so. It could be done later if not in the startup wizard. Perhaps
> choosing the business account s template set the preference for you.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
Hi,

IIRC, the new file wizard has a checkbox for "business Accounts" as a template,
which will set up the relevant A/P etc. accounts with the correct types, it
also allows the user to enter business details (name address) all as part of
the new file process.

Of course, GC allows the editing of the tree at any time, and there is a pref
(somewhere) for business details so it can all be done manually after the
wizard has run,  

I don't recall an "enable business" flag/option as such  in GC

HTH,
Maf.





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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

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David,

While displaying the Accounts tab select
Actions->New Account Heirarchy to run the wizard
Choose the currency and select your book currency
Choose Accounts then Select the Business Accounts (check no other account
groups are selected unless you want them added).
then click Next

This adds the business accounts to your account heirarchy.

This "enables" the business features by creating the required accounts and
is all that is required other than setting the preferences required under
the Edit->Preferences Business tab and setting the billing terms and
customers and vendors and any Sales tax tables.

See https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-help/chapter_busnss.html for
more detail.

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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

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Oh.  Let me go to nabble to figure out that you're replying to my post... now, having closed all the spammy windows for super resume...
Having the new account assistant create a specific set of accounts IN NO WAY is "enabling business features." It's just a bunch of accounts. The features are always "enabled." We might as well speak of "enabling" double entry features in Gnucash when we open a register in transaction view. 
It is convenient, to be sure, to have these accounts created for me, but this is in no way something in preferences, as was implied in the message to which I was responding. 
There is NO special setting. To quote Monty Python, there is NO severed head beneath the bed. 
David T.

 
 
  On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 13:36, David Cousens<[hidden email]> wrote:   David,

While displaying the Accounts tab select
Actions->New Account Heirarchy to run the wizard
Choose the currency and select your book currency
Choose Accounts then Select the Business Accounts (check no other account
groups are selected unless you want them added).
then click Next

This adds the business accounts to your account heirarchy.

This "enables" the business features by creating the required accounts and
is all that is required other than setting the preferences required under
the Edit->Preferences Business tab and setting the billing terms and
customers and vendors and any Sales tax tables.

See https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-help/chapter_busnss.html for
more detail.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

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> On Mar 31, 2019, at 3:35 AM, David T. via gnucash-user <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Oh.  Let me go to nabble to figure out that you're replying to my post... now, having closed all the spammy windows for super resume...

Or just use e-mail instead of Nabble? (or I’m sure something like uBlock Origin could zap those windows before they come into existence)

> Having the new account assistant create a specific set of accounts IN NO WAY is "enabling business features." It's just a bunch of accounts. The features are always "enabled." We might as well speak of "enabling" double entry features in Gnucash when we open a register in transaction view.
> It is convenient, to be sure, to have these accounts created for me, but this is in no way something in preferences, as was implied in the message to which I was responding.
> There is NO special setting. To quote Monty Python, there is NO severed head beneath the bed.
> David T.

I just opened a new file, chose the default ‘common accounts’ which did not include A/R and A/P and sure enough, the “Business” menu is visible as was the “New Invoice” button. (I didn’t go through the trouble of creating an invoice or bill and seeing what would happen)

This was not always the case, certainly not at some point in the 2.6 series. I distinctly remember having to ‘enable business features’ to both get the Business menu as well as making the New Invoice button visible. I think doing so also created the special A/R and A/P accounts in my tree.

Perhaps the business features which were originally an add-on module were finally integrated into the main program at some point.

Regards,
Adrien
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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

David Carlson-4
So far none of you have mentioned going to Edit > Preferences > Business
and checking Enable Extra Buttons.  Back in the Release 2.6.xx days that
was necessary to even see the buttons to create invoices or whatever that I
have never looked for because I was not using them.

David Carlson

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 5:39 PM Adrien Monteleone <
[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> > On Mar 31, 2019, at 3:35 AM, David T. via gnucash-user <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Oh.  Let me go to nabble to figure out that you're replying to my
> post... now, having closed all the spammy windows for super resume...
>
> Or just use e-mail instead of Nabble? (or I’m sure something like uBlock
> Origin could zap those windows before they come into existence)
>
> > Having the new account assistant create a specific set of accounts IN NO
> WAY is "enabling business features." It's just a bunch of accounts. The
> features are always "enabled." We might as well speak of "enabling" double
> entry features in Gnucash when we open a register in transaction view.
> > It is convenient, to be sure, to have these accounts created for me, but
> this is in no way something in preferences, as was implied in the message
> to which I was responding.
> > There is NO special setting. To quote Monty Python, there is NO severed
> head beneath the bed.
> > David T.
>
> I just opened a new file, chose the default ‘common accounts’ which did
> not include A/R and A/P and sure enough, the “Business” menu is visible as
> was the “New Invoice” button. (I didn’t go through the trouble of creating
> an invoice or bill and seeing what would happen)
>
> This was not always the case, certainly not at some point in the 2.6
> series. I distinctly remember having to ‘enable business features’ to both
> get the Business menu as well as making the New Invoice button visible. I
> think doing so also created the special A/R and A/P accounts in my tree.
>
> Perhaps the business features which were originally an add-on module were
> finally integrated into the main program at some point.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

Adrien Monteleone-2
Thanks David,

I was looking for that the other day and somehow glanced over it. Indeed, it is still there in 3.4. (about to install 3.5 shortly) I suppose, then, since preferences are user rather than book based that’s why the buttons were already there. I didn’t try to start GC from a fresh user perspective. I’d have to try an old copy of 2.6, but I seem to recall this being labeled as ‘enable business features’ (which also added the special accounts and added the Business menu) not just ‘enable extra buttons’, but my memory could be faulty.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:33 PM, David Carlson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> So far none of you have mentioned going to Edit > Preferences > Business and checking Enable Extra Buttons.  Back in the Release 2.6.xx days that was necessary to even see the buttons to create invoices or whatever that I have never looked for because I was not using them.
>
> David Carlson
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 5:39 PM Adrien Monteleone <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 31, 2019, at 3:35 AM, David T. via gnucash-user <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Oh.  Let me go to nabble to figure out that you're replying to my post... now, having closed all the spammy windows for super resume...
>
> Or just use e-mail instead of Nabble? (or I’m sure something like uBlock Origin could zap those windows before they come into existence)
>
> > Having the new account assistant create a specific set of accounts IN NO WAY is "enabling business features." It's just a bunch of accounts. The features are always "enabled." We might as well speak of "enabling" double entry features in Gnucash when we open a register in transaction view.
> > It is convenient, to be sure, to have these accounts created for me, but this is in no way something in preferences, as was implied in the message to which I was responding.
> > There is NO special setting. To quote Monty Python, there is NO severed head beneath the bed.
> > David T.
>
> I just opened a new file, chose the default ‘common accounts’ which did not include A/R and A/P and sure enough, the “Business” menu is visible as was the “New Invoice” button. (I didn’t go through the trouble of creating an invoice or bill and seeing what would happen)
>
> This was not always the case, certainly not at some point in the 2.6 series. I distinctly remember having to ‘enable business features’ to both get the Business menu as well as making the New Invoice button visible. I think doing so also created the special A/R and A/P accounts in my tree.
>
> Perhaps the business features which were originally an add-on module were finally integrated into the main program at some point.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

David Carlson-4
Back in 2014 I used to think that going to Edit > Preferences > Business
and checking Enable Extra Buttons was about enabling business features, but
I was told then that it is only about adding some un-named buttons on some
menus that were never documented.  I agree that there should be a feature
to turn off business features for those of us that don't use them, because
sometimes they cause grief if accidentally or ignorantly activated.

David Carlson

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:55 PM Adrien Monteleone <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks David,
>
> I was looking for that the other day and somehow glanced over it. Indeed,
> it is still there in 3.4. (about to install 3.5 shortly) I suppose, then,
> since preferences are user rather than book based that’s why the buttons
> were already there. I didn’t try to start GC from a fresh user perspective.
> I’d have to try an old copy of 2.6, but I seem to recall this being labeled
> as ‘enable business features’ (which also added the special accounts and
> added the Business menu) not just ‘enable extra buttons’, but my memory
> could be faulty.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:33 PM, David Carlson <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > So far none of you have mentioned going to Edit > Preferences > Business
> and checking Enable Extra Buttons.  Back in the Release 2.6.xx days that
> was necessary to even see the buttons to create invoices or whatever that I
> have never looked for because I was not using them.
> >
> > David Carlson
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 5:39 PM Adrien Monteleone <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mar 31, 2019, at 3:35 AM, David T. via gnucash-user <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh.  Let me go to nabble to figure out that you're replying to my
> post... now, having closed all the spammy windows for super resume...
> >
> > Or just use e-mail instead of Nabble? (or I’m sure something like uBlock
> Origin could zap those windows before they come into existence)
> >
> > > Having the new account assistant create a specific set of accounts IN
> NO WAY is "enabling business features." It's just a bunch of accounts. The
> features are always "enabled." We might as well speak of "enabling" double
> entry features in Gnucash when we open a register in transaction view.
> > > It is convenient, to be sure, to have these accounts created for me,
> but this is in no way something in preferences, as was implied in the
> message to which I was responding.
> > > There is NO special setting. To quote Monty Python, there is NO
> severed head beneath the bed.
> > > David T.
> >
> > I just opened a new file, chose the default ‘common accounts’ which did
> not include A/R and A/P and sure enough, the “Business” menu is visible as
> was the “New Invoice” button. (I didn’t go through the trouble of creating
> an invoice or bill and seeing what would happen)
> >
> > This was not always the case, certainly not at some point in the 2.6
> series. I distinctly remember having to ‘enable business features’ to both
> get the Business menu as well as making the New Invoice button visible. I
> think doing so also created the special A/R and A/P accounts in my tree.
> >
> > Perhaps the business features which were originally an add-on module
> were finally integrated into the main program at some point.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> > _______
>
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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

Adrien Monteleone-2
I just played with toggling that preference back and forth and as I do so, the ’New Invoice’ button appears and disappears accordingly. It seems this is the only button affected unless there is a special toolbar somewhere I’m not triggering. (when viewing a bill/invoice there are 2 ’New Invoice’ buttons, one is the generic version, the other is tied to the same ‘current owner’ of the viewed bill/invoice - that one doesn’t toggle.)

The Business menu remains visible in all cases.

Certainly, if one needs to manually manage A/R or A/P or not even use them, those features would be nice to hide. I don’t think there is any danger posed however by their visibility or existence unless one tries to both use those features *and* manually make transactions in those special accounts.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 1, 2019, at 10:21 PM, David Carlson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Back in 2014 I used to think that going to Edit > Preferences > Business and checking Enable Extra Buttons was about enabling business features, but I was told then that it is only about adding some un-named buttons on some menus that were never documented.  I agree that there should be a feature to turn off business features for those of us that don't use them, because sometimes they cause grief if accidentally or ignorantly activated.
>
> David Carlson
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:55 PM Adrien Monteleone <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks David,
>
> I was looking for that the other day and somehow glanced over it. Indeed, it is still there in 3.4. (about to install 3.5 shortly) I suppose, then, since preferences are user rather than book based that’s why the buttons were already there. I didn’t try to start GC from a fresh user perspective. I’d have to try an old copy of 2.6, but I seem to recall this being labeled as ‘enable business features’ (which also added the special accounts and added the Business menu) not just ‘enable extra buttons’, but my memory could be faulty.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:33 PM, David Carlson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > So far none of you have mentioned going to Edit > Preferences > Business and checking Enable Extra Buttons.  Back in the Release 2.6.xx days that was necessary to even see the buttons to create invoices or whatever that I have never looked for because I was not using them.
> >
> > David Carlson
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 5:39 PM Adrien Monteleone <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mar 31, 2019, at 3:35 AM, David T. via gnucash-user <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh.  Let me go to nabble to figure out that you're replying to my post... now, having closed all the spammy windows for super resume...
> >
> > Or just use e-mail instead of Nabble? (or I’m sure something like uBlock Origin could zap those windows before they come into existence)
> >
> > > Having the new account assistant create a specific set of accounts IN NO WAY is "enabling business features." It's just a bunch of accounts. The features are always "enabled." We might as well speak of "enabling" double entry features in Gnucash when we open a register in transaction view.
> > > It is convenient, to be sure, to have these accounts created for me, but this is in no way something in preferences, as was implied in the message to which I was responding.
> > > There is NO special setting. To quote Monty Python, there is NO severed head beneath the bed.
> > > David T.
> >
> > I just opened a new file, chose the default ‘common accounts’ which did not include A/R and A/P and sure enough, the “Business” menu is visible as was the “New Invoice” button. (I didn’t go through the trouble of creating an invoice or bill and seeing what would happen)
> >
> > This was not always the case, certainly not at some point in the 2.6 series. I distinctly remember having to ‘enable business features’ to both get the Business menu as well as making the New Invoice button visible. I think doing so also created the special A/R and A/P accounts in my tree.
> >
> > Perhaps the business features which were originally an add-on module were finally integrated into the main program at some point.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> > _______
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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

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If this preference is added, it should also remove the A/R and A/P Account
type choices!

-derek

On Mon, April 1, 2019 11:21 pm, David Carlson wrote:

> Back in 2014 I used to think that going to Edit > Preferences > Business
> and checking Enable Extra Buttons was about enabling business features,
> but
> I was told then that it is only about adding some un-named buttons on some
> menus that were never documented.  I agree that there should be a feature
> to turn off business features for those of us that don't use them, because
> sometimes they cause grief if accidentally or ignorantly activated.
>
> David Carlson
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:55 PM Adrien Monteleone <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks David,
>>
>> I was looking for that the other day and somehow glanced over it.
>> Indeed,
>> it is still there in 3.4. (about to install 3.5 shortly) I suppose,
>> then,
>> since preferences are user rather than book based that’s why the buttons
>> were already there. I didn’t try to start GC from a fresh user
>> perspective.
>> I’d have to try an old copy of 2.6, but I seem to recall this being
>> labeled
>> as ‘enable business features’ (which also added the special accounts and
>> added the Business menu) not just ‘enable extra buttons’, but my memory
>> could be faulty.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>>
>> > On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:33 PM, David Carlson
>> <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > So far none of you have mentioned going to Edit > Preferences >
>> Business
>> and checking Enable Extra Buttons.  Back in the Release 2.6.xx days that
>> was necessary to even see the buttons to create invoices or whatever
>> that I
>> have never looked for because I was not using them.
>> >
>> > David Carlson
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 5:39 PM Adrien Monteleone <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Mar 31, 2019, at 3:35 AM, David T. via gnucash-user <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Oh.  Let me go to nabble to figure out that you're replying to my
>> post... now, having closed all the spammy windows for super resume...
>> >
>> > Or just use e-mail instead of Nabble? (or I’m sure something like
>> uBlock
>> Origin could zap those windows before they come into existence)
>> >
>> > > Having the new account assistant create a specific set of accounts
>> IN
>> NO WAY is "enabling business features." It's just a bunch of accounts.
>> The
>> features are always "enabled." We might as well speak of "enabling"
>> double
>> entry features in Gnucash when we open a register in transaction view.
>> > > It is convenient, to be sure, to have these accounts created for me,
>> but this is in no way something in preferences, as was implied in the
>> message to which I was responding.
>> > > There is NO special setting. To quote Monty Python, there is NO
>> severed head beneath the bed.
>> > > David T.
>> >
>> > I just opened a new file, chose the default ‘common accounts’ which
>> did
>> not include A/R and A/P and sure enough, the “Business” menu is visible
>> as
>> was the “New Invoice” button. (I didn’t go through the trouble of
>> creating
>> an invoice or bill and seeing what would happen)
>> >
>> > This was not always the case, certainly not at some point in the 2.6
>> series. I distinctly remember having to ‘enable business features’ to
>> both
>> get the Business menu as well as making the New Invoice button visible.
>> I
>> think doing so also created the special A/R and A/P accounts in my tree.
>> >
>> > Perhaps the business features which were originally an add-on module
>> were finally integrated into the main program at some point.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Adrien
>> > _______
>>
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Re: [GNC] Bills in Gnucash

Geert Janssens-4
The preference was added by Christian back in the 2.6 days. I'm not sure of
the end goal of this feature but I believe it was indeed mostly meant to
persistently add a few convenience buttons on the tool bar. I'm sure it
doesn't manage the availability of the AR/AP accounts and it equally won't
show or hide the Business releated menu options.

That may be an enhancement of its own at some point.

Regards,

Geert

Op dinsdag 2 april 2019 09:03:59 CEST schreef Derek Atkins:

> If this preference is added, it should also remove the A/R and A/P Account
> type choices!
>
> -derek
>
> On Mon, April 1, 2019 11:21 pm, David Carlson wrote:
> > Back in 2014 I used to think that going to Edit > Preferences > Business
> > and checking Enable Extra Buttons was about enabling business features,
> > but
> > I was told then that it is only about adding some un-named buttons on some
> > menus that were never documented.  I agree that there should be a feature
> > to turn off business features for those of us that don't use them, because
> > sometimes they cause grief if accidentally or ignorantly activated.
> >
> > David Carlson
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:55 PM Adrien Monteleone <
> >
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Thanks David,
> >>
> >> I was looking for that the other day and somehow glanced over it.
> >> Indeed,
> >> it is still there in 3.4. (about to install 3.5 shortly) I suppose,
> >> then,
> >> since preferences are user rather than book based that’s why the buttons
> >> were already there. I didn’t try to start GC from a fresh user
> >> perspective.
> >> I’d have to try an old copy of 2.6, but I seem to recall this being
> >> labeled
> >> as ‘enable business features’ (which also added the special accounts and
> >> added the Business menu) not just ‘enable extra buttons’, but my memory
> >> could be faulty.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Adrien
> >>
> >> > On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:33 PM, David Carlson
> >>
> >> <[hidden email]>
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >> > So far none of you have mentioned going to Edit > Preferences >
> >>
> >> Business
> >> and checking Enable Extra Buttons.  Back in the Release 2.6.xx days that
> >> was necessary to even see the buttons to create invoices or whatever
> >> that I
> >> have never looked for because I was not using them.
> >>
> >> > David Carlson
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 5:39 PM Adrien Monteleone <
> >>
> >> [hidden email]> wrote:
> >> > > On Mar 31, 2019, at 3:35 AM, David T. via gnucash-user <
> >>
> >> [hidden email]> wrote:
> >> > > Oh.  Let me go to nabble to figure out that you're replying to my
> >>
> >> post... now, having closed all the spammy windows for super resume...
> >>
> >> > Or just use e-mail instead of Nabble? (or I’m sure something like
> >>
> >> uBlock
> >> Origin could zap those windows before they come into existence)
> >>
> >> > > Having the new account assistant create a specific set of accounts
> >>
> >> IN
> >> NO WAY is "enabling business features." It's just a bunch of accounts.
> >> The
> >> features are always "enabled." We might as well speak of "enabling"
> >> double
> >> entry features in Gnucash when we open a register in transaction view.
> >>
> >> > > It is convenient, to be sure, to have these accounts created for me,
> >>
> >> but this is in no way something in preferences, as was implied in the
> >> message to which I was responding.
> >>
> >> > > There is NO special setting. To quote Monty Python, there is NO
> >>
> >> severed head beneath the bed.
> >>
> >> > > David T.
> >> >
> >> > I just opened a new file, chose the default ‘common accounts’ which
> >>
> >> did
> >> not include A/R and A/P and sure enough, the “Business” menu is visible
> >> as
> >> was the “New Invoice” button. (I didn’t go through the trouble of
> >> creating
> >> an invoice or bill and seeing what would happen)
> >>
> >> > This was not always the case, certainly not at some point in the 2.6
> >>
> >> series. I distinctly remember having to ‘enable business features’ to
> >> both
> >> get the Business menu as well as making the New Invoice button visible.
> >> I
> >> think doing so also created the special A/R and A/P accounts in my tree.
> >>
> >> > Perhaps the business features which were originally an add-on module
> >>
> >> were finally integrated into the main program at some point.
> >>
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Adrien
> >> > _______
> >>
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