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Fwd: Re: gnucash NOT crashing now

Maf. King
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Subject: Re: gnucash NOT crashing now
Date: Saturday 19 Nov 2005 09:27
From: "Maf. King" <[hidden email]>
To: Beth Leonard <[hidden email]>

On Saturday 19 Nov 2005 07:20, you wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 08:08:09PM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:
>
>
> Save as html
> - Saves the snapshot in time as a web page that can be
> viewed exactly as-is at times in the future, even after
> the account data has changed.
>
> Save as pdf
> - similar to save as html
>
> Save as custom report type
> - Saves the current options to a custom report
> name, so that after the transactions in the datafile
> have changed, the report can be run again.
>
>
> I'm sure we can think of lots of other formats and I know I'm welcome
> to submit patches ;-)  I'm more thinking aloud to see if the English
> and default behavior that makes sense and is pleasing to me would
> be desirable to other users.
>
> No sense in patching it if other people would hate it.

Hi Beth,

The behaviour you describe above already exists - other than the pretty
dialogue box bit!

your "save as html" is the export button
your "save as pdf" is the print button (well, ok. gnome-print has a bug or
 2!) and the "save custom report" what started this thread....

so I thing that the issue is what to call the "save Report" so that it is
 more intuitive.  "Create custom report", or "save this report options as a
 custom report" seem a bit wordy - maybe just some roll-over text to explain
 what is happening a bit more explicitly?

£0.02 worth
Maf.

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Re: Fwd: Re: gnucash NOT crashing now

Beth Leonard
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 11:40:35AM +0000, Maf. King wrote:
> Hi Beth,
>
> The behaviour you describe above already exists - other than the pretty
> dialogue box bit!

Oops, sorry if I wasn't clear.  I was referring to Derek's statement
that the "save report" button did not appear to have made it into
the G2 interface -- i.e. we're losing functionality.

If we truly are losing that functionality, I proposed making all
the reports save themselves automatically -- i.e. when you close
a report tab and then open that report from the menu again, it
comes up with the same options you had the last time you looked
at the report.  I'd love to know if that's a behavior other people
also like.

If we're not losing that functionality, but it's also not yet in
the interface, my e-mail was a proposal for that portion of the
interface which is perhaps more clear than the current "export"
button, "print" button and "Save Report" button.

i.e.

Existing Interface:
-------------------
Export button - saves a report as html
Print button - saves a report as pdf (or prints it)
Save report - saves the current report options

G2 interface proposal #1
------------------------
Save as... html - saves a report as html
Save as... pdf - saves a report as pdf
All report options are saved automatically, but no custom reports
are available.  (Avoids the bug)

G2 interface proposal #2
------------------------
Save as... html - saves a report as html
Save as... pdf - saves a report as pdf
Save as... custom report - saves a report's options to the custom
reports menu.

For both proposals, the existing "print" button functionality
remains the same.

> so I thing that the issue is what to call the "save Report" so that it is
>  more intuitive.  "Create custom report", or "save this report options as a
>  custom report" seem a bit wordy - maybe just some roll-over text to explain
>  what is happening a bit more explicitly?

I agree that the roll-over text should be cleaned up.
It currently says, "Save the current report in
~/.gnucash/saved-reports-1.8 so that they are accessible as menu
entries in the report menu.  Will go into effect at the next startup
of gnucash."

At a minimum I'd insert the word "options" so that we have
subject-verb agreement ;-)  -- "save the current report options..."

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Re: Fwd: Re: gnucash NOT crashing now

Beth Leonard
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On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 11:40:35AM +0000, Maf. King wrote:
> so I thing that the issue is what to call the "save Report" so that it is
>  more intuitive.  "Create custom report", or "save this report options as a

One more brainstormed idea if we're keeping the "save report"
button -- call the button "Save Options" instead.  It's still
short, but slightly less misleading.

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Re: Fwd: Re: gnucash NOT crashing now

David Hampton-2
In reply to this post by Beth Leonard
On Sat, 2005-11-19 at 20:16 -0800, Beth Leonard wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 11:40:35AM +0000, Maf. King wrote:
> > Hi Beth,
> >
> > The behaviour you describe above already exists - other than the pretty
> > dialogue box bit!
>
> Oops, sorry if I wasn't clear.  I was referring to Derek's statement
> that the "save report" button did not appear to have made it into
> the G2 interface -- i.e. we're losing functionality.

It was true that the save report button got dropped.  We fixed this
yesterday so the button is there now.

David



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Re: Fwd: Re: gnucash NOT crashing now

Andrew Sackville-West
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Beth Leonard wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 11:40:35AM +0000, Maf. King wrote:
>
>>so I thing that the issue is what to call the "save Report" so that it is
>> more intuitive.  "Create custom report", or "save this report options as a
>
>
> One more brainstormed idea if we're keeping the "save report"
> button -- call the button "Save Options" instead.  It's still
> short, but slightly less misleading.

yes!

A

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Liz
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:25, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > One more brainstormed idea if we're keeping the "save report"
> > button -- call the button "Save Options" instead.  It's still
> > short, but slightly less misleading.
>
> yes!
yes

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